Just Above Sunset
June 19, 2005 - After all this time it's now time to talk about the war?
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So why now? Thursday, June 16, late in the afternoon, Jennifer Loven of Associated Press proves a summary of the situation – "Facing growing pressure to bring troops home from Iraq, President Bush is launching a public relations
campaign to try to calm anxieties about the war." Well, there was the body
of the one brain-dead woman that had to be kept functioning – and that moral, ethical and metaphysical battle had to
be fought, as a matter of principal and religious faith. There was rescuing our
stem-cell citizens - those little lumps of cells who were really people just like you and me - from the evil scientists. There was getting judges who favor the Bible over the constitution appointed –
and that damned filibuster. And there was so much more. So the war got short shrift – but, reluctantly, it seems the guy has to deal with it. Foreign policy has typically
given Bush his highest scores with the public, but that has changed. An Associated Press-Ipsos poll this month found just
41 percent of adults supported his handling of the Iraq war - an all-time low. In addition, a Gallup poll released Monday
found that six in 10 Americans say they think the United States should withdraw some or all of its troops from Iraq. That'll grab your attention.
As bad news continues
to emerge from Iraq and the U.S. detention camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, some Republicans are starting to edge away from the
White House on its policies in the war on terror. The strains were on display yesterday, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing
on Guantanamo Bay to address what Chairman Arlen Specter called the 'crazy quilt' system that governs the treatment of about
520 suspected enemy combatants being held there. Mr. Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania, called on Congress to set out
rules. Look like it really is
time to roll out the public relations heavy armor. A former cabinet member? The Freedom Fries guy? When you read some of
the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here [at Guantanamo Bay]--I almost hesitate to put them in the [Congressional]
Record, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:
On a couple of occasions,
I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or
water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more. On one occasion,
the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee
was shaking with cold. . . . On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the
unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him.
He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature
unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee
chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor. If I read this to you
and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would
most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that
had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners. Oh, that's just not nice.
To the pea brains on
the Right, incapable of reading the English language in its most basic, unuanced form, they claim Durbin is calling our troops
Nazis. The Wingnutosphere is making that claim. Rush is making that claim. Hannity is making that claim. Drudge is making
that claim. Look to Fox News to jump on the bandwagon tomorrow. Fox News? Late Thursday they headlined the administration saying Durbin's comments were "reprehensible." As expected.
Of course, what Durbin
is saying is that such torture - undisputed, by the way, and read from an FBI report - is more at home in a place like Soviet
Russia or Nazi Germany than in a modern Democracy. Yep, Durbin was saying
we're better than this. The response? You're
calling us Nazis! And let's not forget,
"torture" was used as a rationale for this war - as in, we'll invade and end the torture. Ah, seems so. Really, what is the Right
trying to accomplish here? Inflict so much pain on Durbin that others will think twice before they levy legitimate criticisms
of the war? Are they so hell-bent on their political correctness that any criticisms of the war effort is considered treasonous?
Yeah, well, if he's angry,
turn to the other side. Senator Durbin, Things really are getting
hot. As a general rule, I
don't wish to see these men treated brutally because I believe that we can get more useful information out of them by treating
them humanely - but make no mistake about it, if harsh measures are ever required to get the necessary information, then we
must do it. Their lives are forfeit, and only necessity and our innate humanity keeps them alive for any given length of time.
The tone is calmer - the
contention that these lives are forfeit does raise the issue of whether we need to determine if we got the right folks - that
has been a bit of a problem in the past - and whether they deserve to have the chance to explain there may have been some
mistake. My big concern is, the
longer you keep them, the angrier they get. Eventually, you are going to send them home. Maybe the smarter thing is to execute
everyone down there, because if you're going to send them back to the Arab world or the Islamic world angry as hell at us,
they're going to be doing dirty stuff against us, right? Ah, the famous kill-'em-all-and-let-God-sort-it-out
argument. Elegantly simple. The Pentagon on Thursday
invited more members of Congress to visit the Guantanamo jail for foreign terrorism suspects, saying criticism by some U.S.
lawmakers showed "a real ignorance of what's really going on...." Whatever does that mean? Better not visit a NASCAR race? Don't walk down dark alleys? Expect a horse's head in your bed? Delaware Democratic Sen.
Joseph Biden asked Deputy Associate Attorney General J. Michael Wiggins whether the Justice Department had "defined when there
is the end of conflict." At Corrente there
is this comment – "In perpetuity." "As
long as the conflict endures." Ah, that sort of depends
on how you define "doing right." __ Email received on this
topic from Bob Patterson – I won't go into just how vitriolic the conservative
talk shows were today [Thursday] regarding the Senator from Illinois. (There
is (apparently) no recall for Senators, but if he doesn't back off fast he may find (I believe) that a Senator can be impeached
for treason.) Cut to the chase: If folks believe that the Bush election in 2000 wasn't fair -if folks believe that the Bush election
in 2004 wasn't fair (See page 15 of the LA Citybeat for June 16 - 22, 2005 for an interview with Bob Fitrakis who says that
the election results in Ohio in 2004 were rigged.) - then I have questions. In 2008, will there be an honest election
that a Democrat might be able to win? (Just because Bush leaves office doesn't
mean he can't be held accountable if folks say he committed a crime.) If a Bush is going to win in 2008, how can Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, and Rumsfeld be sure that Jeb will hold them
over? (Wouldn't it look very odd if he did?)
With that in mind, won't it be easier to stage a "grass roots" movement for a Third term for Dubya? If the 2000 and the 2004 elections were fixed, then isn't a third term for George W. Bush a "given?" If Bush is going to get a third term, and if it is well known that he puts loyal second-raters into various
appointed positions, then can't he replace some Republican politicians with more loyal ones? I know this sounds very paranoid like "wow he lied and got us into the war for some unknown reason," but given that
there were no WMD's, isn't it likely there was a different reason for starting that war?
(Thinking that he knew there were no WMD's and got into the war for no reason at all is crazy.) If there was a "hidden agenda" then do they want "game over" and Bush to step down in 2008? It seems that there has to be a third term for Bush in 2008 to make sense of all this. I gotta get the T-shirt business up and running, because if he really is going to get a third term, then I really
do want to cash in on it. Maybe I'm totally wrong and Hillary will be a gracious winner and discourage any Bush investigations after she is
inaugurated? As Bill O'Reilly would say: "What say you?" My response? If
Dick Durbin doesn't back off fast there will be trouble? See
this – Durbin Revises and Extends Gitmo Remarks Fox
News - Friday, June 17, 2005 WASHINGTON - After a barrage of criticism, Sen. Dick Durbin went to the Senate floor Thursday evening to repeat a
controversial statement he made two days earlier and insist he said nothing objectionable. In remarks first expressed on the Senate floor late Tuesday and then re-read verbatim on Thursday evening, Durbin,
the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, read the report of an FBI agent who described treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay,
Cuba. ... Note - He went on the senate floor this evening
and repeated, and extended his comments. "We are better than this." As opposed to the Republican position - "America: Not Very Nice, But Not Nearly as Bad as Stalin or Hitler!" Idealism versus the pragmatic view. I
wouldn't take the third term stuff too seriously. That 22nd amendment
idea that's going around? It should be repealed? That will never leave the House - and if it were to get through congress one
day, two thirds of the states would have to ratify it. Remember the Equal Rights
Amendment for Women? The ERA died. Folks
introduce such things all the time. It's all posturing. The flag-burning thing may get to the states one day, but who cares? As
for impeachment and crimes and all that? See
this - FROM THIS EVENING'S Nelson Report ... [There is] an increased press and Congressional
focus on the so-called "Downing Street Memo", from the then-head of Britain's secret service to Prime Minister Blair, stating
flatly that President Bush and his top advisors had determined to go to war with Iraq well in advance of playing out the UN
process. Such an interpretation is, of course, arguable, as per the Bush/Blair press conference last week, about which you
will have read, and will read more tomorrow, given a suddenly large push by more than 100 Hill Democrats. Our point for tonight
is that this memo, really a series of memos, has had a strange life...but after a delayed reaction in this country, it seems
to be leading somewhere...where, exactly, is the question. We can report, not as a partisan, but as an observer who happened to be working for a Congressman deeply involved
in the Pentagon Papers fight of 1971, that old hands note eerie similarities to the start-up process of questions raised,
and the potential for Congress to become more seriously involved. Two examples of related concerns to the "Downing Street" memos: DOD Secretary Rumsfeld's pre-positioning of thousands
of troops and large stores of equipment, months before the final decision was made; the top-level White House involvement
in the "torture memo" process that led directly to the international humiliation of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, despite internal
warnings from then-Secretary of State Powell and Deputy Secretary Armitage. Add those up, add your own examples, and you will know why you hear conversations in the past couple of days using
the "impeachment" word...not as a prediction, this is way too soon and/or extreme for now...but as part of an attempt to measure
historic parallels, and to think aloud on how far this process might go. Maybe nowhere? Or, maybe we're just seeing the beginning
of something. We mention it tonight because the conversation is being held less quietly than before, and politics in Washington
may be about to get even worse, if you can imagine anything worse. Passed on without comment. - Josh Marshall Note
- on May 17 - the Washington Post's Dan Froomkin, back when the memo was failing to cause much excitement: "It's possible it's less a dud than a bomb with a long, slow fuse." Two points for him. Thursday
shows Bush running into a bit of a brick wall. The
brick wall is getting more substantial by the hour - as this week all things turned on Bush, or started to turn. And I didn't even mention the group of Republicans now asking him to give up on the Social Security privatization
plan. We might be seeing an unraveling here.
One
senses, with the polls and the Downing Street memo thing gathering steam, something is up.
That brick wall is forming - sing another chorus of "Just Another Brick in the Wall."
Shifting metaphors, maybe more and more folks are finally admitting, reluctantly, that he's a dim bulb and dangerous
- oil hit a new record high at the end of the week, the debt and trade deficit are out of control, fewer and fewer either
believe what Bush says or think he knows what he's talking about, or both. He's
always been a charming doofus - but now he's morphing into an embarrassment, and a liability in a complex world where some
are out to kill us and nobody anywhere much trusts us. We can't afford to keep
him in power? I
may be reading things all wrong, but I do follow what is said on the right, even if, unlike Bob, I don't spend hours glued
to the conservative call-in shows on the radio. More than the country being divided
into warring red-states and blue-states, there's a middle of folks who are more into "practical" than party-line. And they sense this isn't working. Bush is in some fantasy
world and both sides of the aisles in the houses of congress are seen as attending to foolish disputes - that's what the polls
show people now think. What
I sense from the right? It was fun while it lasted, but this nonsense is really
beginning to hurt us. For 2008 they'll look for someone competent. Frist has stumbled badly, and Jeb Bush is too much like his brother.
McCain? Giuliani? Who knows? Even
my most conservative friend sense it may be time to bring in someone more thoughtful. |
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